Week 7 Live Session Recording

In this live session, I demonstrated different finished scenario projects in different tools so we could compare the features and advantages of each. I also walked through step-by-step how to do formatting in Twine and add images.

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11:02:32 Alright! So this is week 7 of our live sessions.
11:02:37 We were have been talking just before I started the recording about the structure and where we’re going with us, and the fact that every time you look at your scenario you’re gonna see more revisions in every hum you look at everybody else’s scenarios you get some ideas of things
11:02:50 you want to tweak, which is good, and that is part of the idea.
11:02:53 And then that really to do these scenarios well requires several iterations, and it it does especially as you’re getting started with it, that they’re just is a certain amount of like it is.
11:03:08 Why it is the you’re gonna build a structure. And then you’re gonna draft part of it.
11:03:12 And then you’re gonna draft some more of it.
11:03:14 And then we’re gonna do some development. And honestly, while this week is focused on development and look and feel inevitably as you change the look and feel.
11:03:23 And you sort of see it with a different look, and feel you are going to find things in the wording that you want to change.
11:03:31 It is inevitably kind of what happens. I actually used to do that for myself in college.
11:03:38 I figured out that that was part of my trick for revising things and proofreading my own editing.
11:03:44 Is that if you take a document and say, change the thought something drastically different, or really change the margin so you’re looking at a narrow column, then you do that.
11:03:58 And so it was one of those psychological tricks for myself to be able to proofread my own writing, which is always a challenge like it’s so hard to edit your own stuff.
11:04:08 You, inevitably are going to do that, and you will see errors in your stuff and be like, how did I miss that before?
11:04:15 And and you know I mean I. This is the third cohort for this course.
11:04:21 I’ve taught it before I’ve gotten feedback.
11:04:23 I’ve made improvements that every single time I’m still going in and a lot of this content sort of early drafts of this for posted on my blog and or in presentations and stuff existed elsewhere, I don’t still finding even like typos and things occasionally and
11:04:38 the stuff right like you’ve seen, you know, like there are sometimes, or somehow, when I transposed things over to this format, but I didn’t quite adjust things.
11:04:49 It is part of the process, and it does have to be iterative.
11:04:52 It really like that is the goal of the way this course is structured is not that you’re going to write it once and be done with it it is that you’re going to draft it, and then you’re going to tweak it and you’re going to add a little more and you’re going to
11:05:04 tweak it!
11:05:11 And that week also. So it’s sort of the review and the revisions.
11:05:15 And we’ll talk about review processes because it is a challenge to get to review these.
11:05:22 So we’ll be talking about that that we also is sort of the catch up week.
11:05:26 So it this is. I know that this is a lot of writing in these last 2 weeks that I know, Eric.
11:05:35 You mentioned that you have spent a lot of hours working on this to get it done, and I think it’s I think your scenario.
11:05:41 Reflects the amount of care and time you have put into it.
11:05:45 For sure, but it is time consuming, and there’s.
11:05:49 Yeah, but don’t get me wrong. It’s a lot of fun to.
11:05:56 It is.
11:06:00 Yeah.
11:05:57 To great these things and conversations. But yeah, it takes its time.
11:06:04 It does take time and.
11:06:05 I agree that you know, when you see those scenarios like when you see an example, you’re like, oh, that’s so.
11:06:11 It’s short, then it’s easy, and it’s quick.
11:06:14 And then you realize how much writing and how much revision is involved in that you’re like.
11:06:19 Oh, maybe not that easy to do. Yeah, I have a whole new appreciation for it.
11:06:24 Yeah, and I Yup, it is wait, spread out over 9 weeks.
11:06:32 And so somebody a while back had asked if I could do a compressed version of this and do the whole thing start to finish, and like a 4 week thing over the summer, so that they can do it.
11:06:43 And I’m like no cause. This is already basically a graduate course.
11:06:47 And like, it’s already about 5 h a week, and in these writing weeks it’s potentially more.
11:06:54 And depending on what you do for development. This, this is the point at which the development can be like a 5 h thing that we’re gonna work on.
11:07:03 Or you could spend 20 h doing development pretty easily, even though we’re gonna kind of split it into look and feel this week and more advanced development scoring and things.
11:07:17 Next time. You can easily spend more than 20 h on that and if you’re doing any sort of custom graphics, the scale goes up further mark Aldrich, for his shorts, which we talked about, because there’s definitely things that I steal from his because he’s got really like a
11:07:32 repeatable process town, and he talks about making it so that you can do these really fast fast is an activity that will take learners 5 to 10 min and takes 40 h to build.
11:07:44 That’s what that means. Which is why we have 9 weeks and 5 h per week.
11:07:50 It is about 40 h of work you can make. There are ways to make it less than that.
11:07:57 Like Clark’s doing lots of custom graphics for his, and that’s a big chunk of the time.
11:08:03 But that’s what fast means for branching scenarios.
11:08:09 And it’s a shame that to learn us probably will never see the work that is behind it.
11:08:15 Right, right it is, and so it it is. It.
11:08:20 I mean this. This is part of the thing of like.
11:08:24 Do I think it’s worth it in many circumstances?
11:08:25 Yes, but I will say that this is also part of the I have my webinar for Training Mag Network next week.
11:08:34 That is on. When is it worthwhile to do the effort of creating a branching scenario?
11:08:40 And when should you do something easier? Because it it is time consuming to do this?
11:08:48 I you know I think we’re all looking at things where this is worth doing, and we’ll look at the ways to make it easier.
11:08:57 And twine certainly is part of the make it easier.
11:09:00 Plan.
11:09:04 So you know it is, I think, in terms of of doing things.
11:09:11 I think that twine still ends up, being faster than most of the other tools, and especially for planning that it does.
11:09:18 It does make the writing promise much faster. And so we are saving time. There.
11:09:24 But so I think at this point I do want to show you a little bit about tools.
11:09:38 And Hello, Rome!
11:09:41 Hi Ron!
11:09:45 Alright!
11:09:53 Okay, give me a second to share my screen here.
11:10:03 I have things set up a little differently today, because Hi, no, I’m gonna be doing a lot of less slides and more showing other things.
11:10:15 So we’ve got 2 different things I wanna talk about today.
11:10:17 The first one is looking at the different tools that you can use to create branded scenarios, and as I mentioned, can be faster, probably isn’t necessarily faster, for everything but there are some other alternatives, and I know many of you use other tools.
11:10:39 So just to kind of look at what the options are in the pros and cons, and then we’ll look at some formatting into line.
11:10:47 So the tool comparison. I realize there’s only 3 of you, and so doing, a poll is somewhat somewhat overkill.
11:11:01 When there’s 3 of you. But what are you using right now?
11:11:05 Or what do you have? Access to? It should be a poll that popped up.
11:11:12 I’m gonna actually put the sound screen. So it’s in the recording as well.
11:11:16 So!
11:11:21 So everybody’s got storyline and rise.
11:11:29 Google forms is an option. And we’ll we can talk about that. H.
11:11:37 5. P. I have looked at samples of it. I haven’t actually tried it out myself, but I do think that their branching tool looks pretty good.
11:11:45 It’s on my list of things I need to actually go back and rebuild that that scenario that I’ve built in all the different tools I would like to try and do something in H.
11:11:57 It’s really worse having a look.
11:11:52 5 p. Either with that one or with another one that I’m doing where I’m making some beyond videos.
11:11:59 It has a extra content. Type is branching scenario, and it supports interactive videos where you can stop the video and then decide where it’s continuing.
11:12:13 We’ve own videos, or if you have one on Youtube, you can use that one. Also.
11:12:18 So it’s I recommended trying it out. It’s really worth the time.
11:12:21 Yeah, I think I actually want, I’ve been in the process of making some Vi videos to rebuild one of my old scenarios and do stuff in Vienna.
11:12:31 And I actually well, I’m going to build the interactivity in another tool.
11:12:35 I actually think I’m vanguard to take those video snippets and go build it in H. 5 p.
11:12:39 ‘s interactive video looks really good. And so I think that this is, I think that that’s a a worthwhile tool to look at.
11:12:55 And then I also I see that there’s some other.
11:13:00 Yeah, just Ron, I was just really looking at the other tools for scenario building like, if somebody had brand track which I didn’t put in here branch tricks really good.
11:13:11 It is designed just for branching scenarios, but it’s expensive, and it does the one thing so.
11:13:22 Like it’s cool. It’s just that even I don’t necessarily do enough to justify paying for it.
11:13:31 Alright so development, time.
11:13:37 I think we’re gonna look at formatting today and twine.
11:13:42 And I think you you can come up with a sort of a style for twine in an hour or 2.
11:13:48 I’m gonna show you we’re gonna walk through that today.
11:13:54 But but I think that there are ways to do that, and because in twine your content is separated from the look, and feel, so, it’s essentially like creating a master slide, or it’s a style sheet.
11:14:13 Essentially. And so you just kind of create in one place, and it affects the whole story all at once.
11:14:18 So you’re not doing each individual slide.
11:14:22 In storyline what I’ve built things in storyline, what I’ve built things in storyline, and I.
11:14:30 That was how I did things for a long time, built my prototype and twined it all the writing a twine, and then rebuilt it in storyline.
11:14:35 I find that creating some formats and layouts, takes me an hour or 2.
11:14:42 Personally, each slide takes between 15 and 30 min depends on how complex it is.
11:14:50 And I don’t think I’m the fastest storyline developer, so I probably tend to be more towards the 30 min if you do a lot of storyline you very well might be faster than me.
11:14:59 So that means that each slide, you know, somewhere in there if you have a scenario that has, say, 16 passages, you’re going to need 16 slides and you’re really fast developer.
11:15:10 Maybe that’s 5 h of development. If you’ve got something where, like 30 passages in twine right now, and you are not very fast, or you have more complex stuff that’s going to take about 30 min per slide, you’re looking at more like 17 h of development, rather than 4 h and
11:15:31 so depends on what you’re doing there are times that it’s worthwhile to build it in storyline, but that that client screening scenario that I’ve used as the example throughout this course that is built in storyline.
11:15:50 That was that has 20 slides. As the final thing took me about 9 h to build so it’s a little less than 30 min for sign.
11:15:57 So in this course, I’m directly going to be teaching a lot of twine because there just isn’t great information on that.
11:16:03 Elsewhere. But if you want to do, if you want to switch gears at this point and do things in storyline, or Rise or Natalie, I know we talked about Ice Spring a bit.
11:16:13 You can, and this is sort of the week that you need to make that decision about whether you’re staying in 20 or not.
11:16:19 But let’s look at some of the possibilities for what you can do in each one of these tools.
11:16:32 So I think I shared this one. May have shared it in a live session, but I’ve also shared it in the Forum.
11:16:38 This is one called Nano pesos, which is built all in twine.
11:16:44 It is not not something that I create. Oh, and I guess it’s gonna just I was in the middle of it.
11:16:49 So it’s it’s these are gifts.
11:16:55 It’s keeping track of days, and it’s keeping track of days and it’s keeping track of days.
11:17:01 And so you make some decisions.
11:17:09 And then, so I’m gonna say, I wanna take the take the money from the grammar. So my money is gonna go up.
11:17:18 And they’re controlling variables. There.
11:17:25 This has this very distinctive look and feel we.
11:17:33 This is one that I built in twine, and I’ll show you how to do this kind of style where I’ve got rounded corners instead of text links.
11:17:44 These look more like buttons.
11:17:49 And I’ve got images. I’ve got a gradient background.
11:17:53 This is really what we’re gonna show.
11:18:04 And then this has feedback. So this kind of look and feel is in there in twine.
11:18:12 And actually Emily, those of you who have reviewed Emily’s scenario, where she’s got some of this blue gradient background.
11:18:18 This is part of that style.
11:18:23 This is also built in twine. This uses a different, a different story. Format.
11:18:29 It’s not in harlong, but it’s a chat, semi-. And so there’s some things built into this.
11:18:42 No, this format doesn’t work for anybody’s current scenario.
11:18:48 It doesn’t make sense. But just so, you know.
11:18:54 There is a way to kind of build a chat, simulation, and a programmatic chat.
11:19:00 Bot is effectively a branching scenario.
11:19:06 This one. I also went through. This is the same scenario, but I did a little bit of tweaking, so I have some images.
11:19:13 I changed the color. I changed the.
11:19:18 I changed, added, some in here change the web so it looks a little bit more like a mobile display.
11:19:34 This one is built in storyline, and this is a good example of one where it really does.
11:19:44 This one makes more sense to do in storyline, because I’ve got sort of some more animation happening here with this phone simulation and this kind of precise layout and doing most paths and things.
11:19:59 Twine is not good at that stuff, and so there are times that you want to do a more complex multimedia simulation.
11:20:12 And yes, there may be, are ways to make it happen.
11:20:18 But maybe twine isn’t the best option, because you’re gonna have to do more. Css.
11:20:25 In Javascript to do it, and that’s a whole other rabbit hole to go down.
11:20:32 This is the client screening one. This is built in storyline.
11:20:36 This one’s a little bit more typical. But you know you do have in this case.
11:20:40 I’ve got sort of an email background. I’ve got this, you know, computer backup and a scrolling pain.
11:20:52 And then I’ve got this phone call layout.
11:20:58 And I had a specific look, and feel in mind for this, that I really wanted it to have these characters and do this sort of layout.
11:21:05 This is trickier to do entwine. I won’t say it’s impossible, but the amount of effort it would take to build something like this in twine.
11:21:17 I’m better off just rebuilding it in storyline.
11:21:25 This one is, rise, and I do think that rise is pretty good.
11:21:32 At simple conversations.
11:21:40 It builds it pretty fast. I still, because there’s no way in rise for you to view the structure of the branching.
11:21:47 I still prefer to write it in twine, and then bring it over.
11:21:50 But rise is really fast to build in.
11:21:55 As long as you have a conversation with one person, and it’s pretty straightforward.
11:22:02 It’s actually, it’s actually a good tool.
11:22:09 In is spring. If you’ve looked at the short Sims, you’ll notice that this looks like this format looks real familiar in this case.
11:22:18 I’m using a photo background and their built-in characters click.
11:22:25 Aldrich is a little bit more customization with some custom graphics, but it ice.
11:22:28 Spring is what he’s using most of the time these days.
11:22:33 And so it is. These choices. I springs fast to build in.
11:22:44 You can actually build the structure directly in ice cream.
11:22:47 It has the scoring kind of built in, so you can have sort of a meter on things.
11:22:54 But if you don’t like, excuse me.
11:23:02 If you don’t like that layout where the choices are on the left and the images are on the right there’s no way to customize it.
11:23:11 So storyline gives you a lot more customization.
11:23:20 So!
11:23:22 Let me!
11:23:25 Bring.
11:23:32 Alright. So we’re gonna so that’s sort of the overview on tools.
11:23:40 Any questions about different tools before I switch to to showing things and twine.
11:23:51 In articulate, are they? Do you know, if there are like templates?
11:23:57 Available that you can customize? Or is it like really starting from scratch?
11:24:06 There are certainly some things in the e-learning heroes, community.
11:24:14 Okay.
11:24:12 Where there are some branching scenario templates.
11:24:17 I don’t know.
11:24:20 That there are. I don’t know if there are any official articulate ones that actually it’s something that I’d seen some people asking about, and so I don’t.
11:24:30 I don’t know if there’s stuff that’s officially from articulate that is designed for this.
11:24:43 Hmm!
11:24:35 I think there are a few kind of questions that have sort of a character in 3 choices that are some question templates that I think you can use in the different styles.
11:24:48 Just not.
11:24:54 But not.
11:24:59 I think it still is something where you probably would end up tweaking it a bunch most of the time.
11:25:09 But there are some things for sure. Yeah.
11:25:22 Okay, so ron.
11:25:28 Oh! So the chat gpt. Let’s do, we?
11:25:33 Before I get into twine. We wanna talk about that.
11:25:36 If you have not bring that up in case nobody, in case you haven’t seen this.
11:25:48 We’ll take a little.
11:25:55 Take a little.
11:26:00 See if he’s got it. If I could find it quickly.
11:26:10 So this this author had posted some things of here.
11:26:15 It is many scenarios.
11:26:20 And.
11:26:24 It is okay. So first of all, it isn’t quite Cathy. More stuff.
11:26:31 Despite the fact that he says that it is, and the whole prompt here that says pretend you’re familiar with Kathy Moore’s approach.
11:26:43 I think doesn’t actually do it. I think the pretend you’re an expert in whatever the field is.
11:26:52 So it is an interesting idea. Besides.
11:27:02 I don’t know. Besides, Ron, if everybody’s seen this, so it is, you know you’re setting it up.
11:27:06 You’re an expert. The learners are this. Help me create a scenario.
11:27:10 Here’s the learning objective.
11:27:15 Here’s the Prom. Give me a Mini scenario in the form of the dialogue.
11:27:19 Now I will say, because he’s prompting this in terms of this like dialogue, they’re talking about a thing rather than doing a thing so there’s sort of some separation.
11:27:29 And it’s not actually doing the action. But I think if if making it be, the dialogue ends up, you know, being the thing, you can then probably revise it.
11:27:40 So I don’t didn’t like this part of the prompt, but something of ending with like, you’re gonna ask the learner a question of, I think that this is.
11:27:59 Really more. Ask the lawyer a question of what to do would be much more of the like. Do things.
11:28:06 I think you’re all actually doing really well in your scenarios of having people do things and take actions rather than talk about taking actions.
11:28:13 Cause. I think it’s one of the problems with the way he has this prompt setup.
11:28:19 One correct choice, 2. Incorrect choice focusing on common misconceptions and mistakes.
11:28:24 I think that, like that part of the prompting is good.
11:28:33 And then he has the sample, the actions that are actually in the choices are not actually talking.
11:28:41 Are not discussion choices, they are actually actions.
11:28:43 So you can kind of revise this. I do think that it’s you, I think, in terms of brainstorming.
11:28:52 It’s probably useful it is. Going to be more useful for generic things like conflict, resolution, or customer service kinds of things.
11:29:04 I found the chat gpt and Bard were both really good for brainstorming.
11:29:09 Say, ideas of workplace, content, scenarios where I was just trying to come up with an example to use in a presentation.
11:29:18 I think it falls down when you get into the specifics of a workplace. And so, you know, when we’re when we’re looking at the specifics of.
11:29:33 You know, having, for example, for Eric’s, you know. Yes.
11:29:38 Could I come up with a customer service in, you know, selling mobile phones? Sure check.
11:29:44 Gpt could probably do that. I don’t know that Chat Gpt would come up with the actual specific things of the policies.
11:29:52 The way that they that you want to do it without you doing a lot of prompting.
11:29:56 At which point you. It’s probably faster for you to write it yourself.
11:30:03 This feedback piece of it, this where it is the like, have imaginary consequences.
11:30:09 I do think that the consequences part of it was interesting.
11:30:14 This was only the best prompting for a scenario that I had seen.
11:30:19 I think it’s still kind of problematic, but I do like it as brainstorming.
11:30:30 If you’re stuck, I think it totally can be useful.
11:30:34 And then there was a.
11:30:40 Eric after this one. So I have. Yeah, I think there’s a lot of stuff out there right now on how to do things.
11:30:50 And I will admit I’ve been really reluctant to pay for anything, because I think things are changing so fast that I’d rather use the free resources.
11:31:05 This course. What I was posting is just how you can.
11:31:09 How you do have to set up everything that you can integrate in storylines, in storyline courses.
11:31:20 Hmm! Yup!
11:31:21 What you need to do with that. There’s not nothing I can do from Scratch.
11:31:25 So!
11:31:25 Right, yeah, yeah, there’s I will say, there are some interesting things.
11:31:31 And I think that the it will be really interesting to see moving forward.
11:31:38 How to do like the chat gpt for providing longer customized feedback, and how that potentially changes in areas.
11:31:46 I think right now the Chat Gbt. And Bart.
11:31:52 And similar tools are good for the brainstorming and creating first drafts of things.
11:31:56 If you’re stuck I will say that the create a first draft for your subject matter expert to revise.
11:32:05 You might very well be able to have Chat gpt, generate some things, knowing that it would be wrong on the details and then have your subject matter expert.
11:32:14 Fix some things. I think that’s absolutely, you know, a possibility of how to use the tool.
11:32:21 So alright, so good digression, because I think this is the topic that everybody’s kind of thinking about right now. Alright!
11:32:31 So we’re I’m gonna switch gears and show you some things in twine because I do want you to have the option of staying in twine and doing some formatting.
11:32:41 Yeah, and Ron, yeah, make sure that the Me. Knows that it’s Chat Gpd’s fault that it’s wrong. Yeah.
11:32:47 But you could talk, I mean I could see that.
11:32:50 You know you, you know, prompt it to.
11:32:56 You know you prompt the you know you give it a prompt.
11:33:04 You know that things will be kind of wrong. And then you give it to the me knowing like, okay, there’s going to be errors in this, and I need you to fix the errors and but so much of the time with Smeeze.
11:33:18 The blank page is the biggest obstacle to doing this, and so, if Chat Gpt is really good at getting the ball rolling and getting you past blank page, I I do admit I’m I’m using it kind of for brainstorming.
11:33:34 Sometimes, and I think without putting in proprietary information, and I will say, don’t put confidential in proprietary information into any of these tools right now, because the security stuff is very squishy right now.
11:33:50 And so you know, I’m using it on samples for my blog, where there’s nothing confidential.
11:33:58 I would not use it. You know I have one.
11:34:01 I don’t know. Remember, if they’re actually a fortune, 100 or fortune 500.
11:34:05 They’re for sure. Fortune. 500 company that I’m working doing some things for right now, and there are absolutely parts of things where there’s no way.
11:34:13 I would put it in there, and risk having they have a lot of lawyers.
11:34:17 They will come after me. I share things. Bye, guys.
11:34:20 So right like there is stuff I would never say, put patient, actual, patient information into these tools from a hospital in a healthc setting right?
11:34:30 There’s these are not when we have more closed settings that you can train on data.
11:34:36 I think we will. We will get to that point, and 6 months from now.
11:34:39 That answer may be a little different, that there are ways to do things to make sure that your data doesn’t get out.
11:34:44 I think right now. It’s too much the Wild West, and things are so much a free for all, so alright.
11:34:51 Let’s play and twine a little bit. So if you let me get this.
11:35:01 So this is a scenario, and right now.
11:35:09 This one just looks. This is a white background with the default text for links.
11:35:20 And so I think everybody sort of had gotten to this point where you had, and enchant Macro for your text color and your background.
11:35:32 I actually am gonna go into this one.
11:35:35 And delete what I have in my style, passage.
11:35:43 So if you, this is, give a style page, tagging it header.
11:35:46 If you don’t have this passage in here, you’ll need to create a new passage and give it the tag header header needs to be all lowercase doesn’t matter for your other tags.
11:35:57 But Header is a special tag in twine and in Harlow.
11:36:07 So I’m gonna start this the way that we change things before we’re just this colors button the one that looks like a rainbow.
11:36:18 And I want to do a flat color black for the text.
11:36:26 And this time, instead of a background with a default color, I wanna do a gradient.
11:36:32 So the gradients here work.
11:36:40 Sort of this the same way that perhaps you’ve seen.
11:36:51 Gradients work in other tools. You pick a the end one in end point to our middle point, and you.
11:37:12 Change these colors, you can change that angle of your gradient.
11:37:27 You also can make it, not.
11:37:34 Entirely opaque. If you change the.
11:37:40 Capacity of things.
11:37:47 So I’m gonna do a gradient this way and then make sure that you set it to the entire page.
11:38:03 And then it’s gonna come up with a code like this.
11:38:06 If it put in a your text here, make sure you delete that.
11:38:16 Now, I do like to put these things on different lines, so I can see what I’m working with a little bit better.
11:38:35 If you would like to change the font.
11:38:41 You have to make sure that you put it before the very last.
11:38:45 The close parentheses. If you start typing.
11:38:49 Do an open parentheses and say, Font, you’ll notice it’ll prompt you for that.
11:38:59 Once you start typing and it selects the right one.
11:39:02 If you hit Tab, it’ll enter that in. So there’s basically helpers built-in for these macros.
11:39:09 It’ll give you this explanation.
11:39:13 And so it tells you to change the font. You put the font, and you’ll notice in this house down here.
11:39:19 It shows you put it in quotes. So I’m gonna say, open.
11:39:31 And it has these color coding in here. If things look gray, that often means that you’re missing a close quotation mark or close a parentheses somewhere.
11:39:45 So, if you wanna change the fund, that’s what this will look like.
11:39:49 So you can hit play at this point. It’s and it says I can’t do background to the left of open sands, cool.
11:40:01 So I’m gonna change that. So this one didn’t work.
11:40:05 That’s why we test.
11:40:08 Oh, I know why I forgot plus sign.
11:40:13 I need a plus in between these things. Let me go back.
11:40:18 There we go!
11:40:22 So working in twine in storyline, when you do things, you’re working in a wizzywig environment.
11:40:28 What you see is what you get in twine. It’s more like old school.
11:40:33 HTML programming where you’re kind of working on a backend, and you have to play it or publish it in order to see what’s going on.
11:40:42 So this gradient, I think, is fine. It’s a little hard to read, but I’m going to change the passage.
11:40:47 So that’s okay. This is, I think, okay, for my background.
11:40:50 You could change the colors and tweak that a little bit, but it gives you kind of a gradient.
11:41:02 So next.
11:41:06 I’m gonna come back into twine, and I’m gonna do another.
11:41:15 Thing here, so I could go in and type all of this.
11:41:22 So what I want is, I want to have the passage settings with again.
11:41:28 Another enchant, Macro so the macros are these changers.
11:41:33 I’m gonna put this into chat for you. Because I think it’s a lot easier to sort of copy and paste and start from something existing and tweak it rather than to do this.
11:41:42 Necessarily, step by step, all the way through.
11:41:47 So let me walk you through what this is. So enchant is the Macro.
11:41:53 This affects the passage, the page is the whole background, the passage is where the text of the story is and then we’re gonna look at the links.
11:42:05 We’re gonna do in a chat, macro on the links as well.
11:42:08 So in this case I have the background of the passage is going to be white, so that the text is easier to read.
11:42:19 I added a corner radius, because I want my passage corners to be rounded.
11:42:25 It’ll make. Give me this rounded rectangle and the border.
11:42:34 Is top, right, bottom, left side. This is sort of the way that Csf works.
11:42:46 If you’ve ever done this in Css. I’m doing this here because I wanna make I’m making the border on the left side where the undo button is I’m making that a different color.
11:43:00 That’s what this is for, and I’ll show you how to do it without that.
11:43:05 But this is to get the difference in the sidebar.
11:43:11 So now!
11:43:15 If I play it.
11:43:21 Now I can see. Here’s my sidebar.
11:43:25 Text is really easy to read.
11:43:29 And this styles every passage. This is where twine is really fast.
11:43:34 Yes, it takes some time to get this right, but once you get it right, all of your passages are right.
11:43:41 Now, let’s say I decide this doesn’t quite work with this color here.
11:43:47 Should match this, I I should make this gradient match, this other color here, cool.
11:43:57 I can go back here, and I can change my gradient.
11:44:07 By changing the sex code.
11:44:14 And again I’ll go play this, and then this picks up that blue a little better.
11:44:20 Obviously, if you’re doing, if you’ve got branding for an organization, you’re gonna make these be your actual branded colors.
11:44:35 So next I’m gonna do something similar for the links.
11:44:47 And I’m gonna put this in chat for you as well.
11:44:49 You can copy and paste this in, because again, it is much easier.
11:44:59 To start.
11:45:04 With something existing, and tweak it, than it is to do this from scratch.
11:45:10 So in this case I’m looking at the link, because instead of text, I want the link to be these buttons.
11:45:22 Or at least to look like a button with a rounded cut corner, and they have a dark color, and then they have a hover color.
11:45:37 So in my story. The background is that dark blue, the border is a sound border around, and it’s the color.
11:45:50 This is actually text color.
11:45:54 The corner radius on those buttons is a 12.
11:46:00 Probably could organize these in a more logical way, I’ve got a border color, a border size.
11:46:05 The.
11:46:11 Cover. Style is a slightly different color. So I made the, I guess that’s why I probably had these on the same line.
11:46:20 The hover style has a background and a border color of white.
11:46:26 So it does change the border. When I hover over the button.
11:46:35 So let me pause right now. Do you have something that looks sort of like this?
11:46:51 Give me a thumbs up in zoom, or something in chat, mostly mostly on track.
11:46:58 Something, in this?
11:47:00 So this already looks a little bit more polished right?
11:47:08 So this gives you.
11:47:13 Several options. Now, maybe you know, there’s definitely things you could probably tweak with this right tweak the colors to go with your particular style.
11:47:25 But you know, as a general starting point, this already gives you something to work with.
11:47:35 So one of the ways to do twine and make it fast right. We were talking about.
11:47:39 Efficiency and building. If you look at a lot of Cathy Moore samples that are built in twine, she has a passage, and she has one single background image to sort of set the context, and then she does not mess with character images for each passages.
11:47:59 She’s going through. She spends a lot of time on text and writing plausible choices, and not very much time in multimedia.
11:48:10 So currently in twine, I have this gradient.
11:48:17 But I can actually change that instead.
11:48:25 And.
11:48:28 Put an image in. So I’m gonna actually replace this whole thing.
11:48:39 And I’m gonna put in an image.
11:48:43 So!
11:48:49 This didn’t end up with a little gray over on the side, but I’m not actually sure.
11:49:00 Why, good, you know I could tweak with this. I could maybe mess with this a little bit, but in general, if I’m trying to like kind of show, you know, a call center having a picture of a call center might be enough.
11:49:14 Maybe I don’t actually need to show every face change right?
11:49:22 And really like in this, the image. I probably need to mess with it a little bit, just because I think it’s there’s clearly something happening.
11:49:31 Oh, I bet it’s because of it may be because of this border here and I’m adding up with a gray.
11:49:36 But you know it gives me an image. It’s pretty nice in terms of changing being responsive, which is one of the nice things about twine over something like storyline.
11:49:47 That the single image might be enough, and Roddy, I see your comment that, like the gradients nice, I think that this particular settings I did for that gradient looked a little cheesy.
11:50:01 I think you’d make a more subtle, great.
11:50:04 You can make a more modern look in gradients than what I picked for my colors and my quick demo here.
11:50:11 But but you can do so. Look at this. And in fact, I actually think if I’m doing this.
11:50:24 So I will say, if you wanna test this out right now.
11:50:29 I have!
11:50:32 I put a couple of images up on my site that you can use for testing right now.
11:50:38 Don’t use these for your official, you know. Final product, but if you want to kind of see what it looks like with an image in the background, and and it’s pretty easy to, you know, kind of switches out.
11:50:54 So maybe it’s.
11:50:58 Maybe I decided, I want instead of showing all the people in here.
11:51:02 Maybe I want this one that shows.
11:51:06 Empty cubicles.
11:51:14 And this one didn’t show up with the weirdness on the left hand side.
11:51:18 So I think there’s something with that particular image.
11:51:24 So you know, this looks, this looks pretty good, right as a as a quick way to do some formatting, and if you wanted to make your image sort of blurry in the background, so it didn’t.
11:51:38 You know, have it blurred, or have it faded out?
11:51:41 You could just have an image and use it. And all of a sudden you have a pretty polished thing, and we’ve spent 15 min on this.
11:51:56 I think I would probably with this photo background, I don’t actually know that I’d want this undo button.
11:52:07 And redo button.
11:52:11 So it is also possible to go back in. There is a macro called Hide.
11:52:21 So I’ll start a new line type of parentheses and start typing hide.
11:52:26 Or you can just type, hide Colon.
11:52:33 And then type, question, mark, sidebar.
11:52:44 Now, if I’m gonna hide that, I need to have.
11:52:50 My border. Well, actually, I’ll get it without. So just so you can see what happens if I hide the sidebar.
11:52:59 This border still stays there. There’s just nothing in it.
11:53:06 So I can kind of tweak this a little bit. I’m gonna just say, yes, I want a solid border, and I want it to be 3 pixels.
11:53:21 Now I just have a slight, subtle border around it.
11:53:26 Very clean-looking. This looks pretty polished, and would be enough for a lot of situations.
11:53:37 And so this is part of the like. Twine can be really fast.
11:53:45 You will notice. However, I’ve got a bunch of space at the top of this passage right and it shows up in all of these that space is because we’re putting all of our styling in the header and the header is at the top of every passage.
11:54:01 In the nano pesos sample the header at the top was where that variable showing how much money you had was, and it just shows up at the top of every page.
11:54:14 That’s how that one’s built is with a header at the top.
11:54:18 We don’t want so much space up here.
11:54:22 So what we need to do is come back.
11:54:26 And.
11:54:32 If you do, curly braces on my keyboard.
11:54:39 Those are above the enter on the right hand side, and you put curly braces around the whole thing that will collapse all of the white space down.
11:54:49 So even if you’ve done, I’ve done lots of line breaks to make this really easy for me to read.
11:54:56 This removes all of those extra line breaks, breaks, and all of the space.
11:55:07 So now the text is up at the top.
11:55:19 So you can mess with this.
11:55:23 And I will say that in twine the fast way to get it done is to just do a background image like this and then you can tweak things a little bit more.
11:55:32 Now I did do, because now he had asked about, you know, is it possible to have something that sort of looks like that short Sims style?
11:55:42 And I was playing around. So I spent again, probably about an hour.
11:55:50 And actually, I will. I’m gonna.
11:55:58 Open it up and stand because oops wrong.
11:56:07 Good! Here! Alright! I need to open that one up because it is styling what I’ve got some images and passages in that one, too.
11:56:17 So let me open that one up so you can do something more if you want to have images in each individual passage, oh, I’m opening this up.
11:56:32 So all of the text, all of this code of everything that I’ve given you today in chat.
11:56:36 So, and if you’re watching on the recording all of this is in the course itself visual design and twine has, you know how to do a gradient.
11:56:45 This gradient’s a lot more subtle and not so easy looking.
11:56:51 This has some hover in it. This has the how to do a background image, how to change that to a background image.
11:57:00 Hiding sidebar. I also have a variation of doing an image background, but not the rounded corners.
11:57:07 Just to have a more square edge, which maybe does look a little more modern than the rounded corners.
11:57:14 I think there’s a kind of a choice there.
11:57:19 If you want to add images and individual passages, it is a little tricky to get the formatting done.
11:57:28 Ronald since you did this in the last covert I updated the directions on this, and I’m teaching in a different way now, so I think if you have one image at the top and runs scenario from last cohort does it that way.
11:57:44 I think that that’s the easiest way to do it.
11:57:47 You can, however, have have things side by side. I think that columns is probably the way to make that work most of the time.
11:57:56 We were trying to do things with float before, and I have found in the previous cohorts that it did not quite work.
11:58:05 But I have an option. I have.
11:58:10 I have a few other kind of variations, and how to tweak this, and then I also have.
11:58:19 I made one that does look.
11:58:26 More like.
11:58:32 So this is built totally inwine. I have one line of Css.
11:58:41 In order to have some padding around this, but it has numbers, and it has kind of the default.
11:58:50 The text is sort of white, blends into the background, and then you have the blue hover, which is sort of the way that the ice spring.
11:58:59 Just here, it’s over a photo background. But if you look at and I have the code, I didn’t build it all the way out.
11:59:11 That is the code, for that is also in course, if you wanna look at a different variation.
11:59:19 So if you like that kind of style to start out with, you can start with that.
11:59:23 I do recommend that you kind of take some existing things and tweak them.
11:59:30 That, in fact, is how I learned how to do this.
11:59:34 There is a sample on the twine Harlow cookbook that has, or the directions the guidebook.
11:59:44 That is this course that says it’s or this story that is called styling with enchantments.
11:59:50 No Css. Style. Sheets used, and it literally is just showing you a bunch of different ways.
12:00:01 Things that can be done, you know. So, for example, making these hovers.
12:00:10 I took some of this.
12:00:17 And took some of these.
12:00:23 I took some of these set of samples from here, and that’s how I learned how to do.
12:00:31 It was sort of by playing around and testing and to get it. That’s why I’m giving you some starting point.
12:00:36 That’s pretty cool to see. But can you get somewhere the style file, or from all these examples?
12:00:44 Oh! So from this example, for the styling, with enchantments, yeah, this is available to download.
12:00:52 And so the code for each one of these is in here.
12:00:56 That’s how I learned how to do this, because I went in.
12:01:00 I’m like, Oh, like I really like how this particular one has that has that little more like a button, and it has a hover sort of changes.
12:01:10 So I did, in fact, pull from this. And so this sample is available let me see if I can show you.
12:01:22 Actually, I may have linked to it. Let let me make sure that I link to it in the course, and if not, I’ll post in the Forum the link so you can download this one cause again. I think.
12:01:31 Look at somebody’s style passage just like I’ve given you a couple of style passage codes, I think, looking at the style passages in here is actually really useful.
12:01:43 They did it in footer rather than in header, and you can see kind of how that one’s built works sort of the same either way.
12:01:57 So knowing now I know that there was sort of some surprise.
12:02:03 I loved it when Emily sort of gave you all the preview, because her scenario she had done some of these things, and there were some reactions of oh, we’re gonna have to look at Twitter and figure out what’s possible because there is a ton.
12:02:16 Possible. We are barely scratching the surface I will warn you that if you start digging into this, and you look on Youtube for tutorials, a a lot of them use sugar cube rather than Harlow.
12:02:27 A lot of them are more dated any. So 20. Did a major update in Harlem in a major update last year in August.
12:02:34 So anything older than that is referencing earlier versions, and so not everything works.
12:02:40 So if you start going and looking not, everything works. If you have an idea of something you want to do, in twine, and the look and feel is not right.
12:02:50 This is the week to do it, so if you have an idea, and you can’t quite get it let’s post in the form, and let’s see if we can figure it out, because I absolutely will go in and troubleshoot just like Natalie you’d asked about having something that sort of looks like
12:03:02 ice spring. And so I spent an hour and figured out how to make that cuz it’s like that’s kind of a cool idea.
12:03:08 Let me see if I can replicate it so I can.
12:03:12 I can do some of that, and I’m happy to kind of help you troubleshoot.
12:03:17 If you’re gonna stay in twine and you wanna make it look fancier.
12:03:24 And really, we’ve I have done lots of the messing with, you know, individual images on each, on each separate passage, and sometimes okay.
12:03:40 So like Natalie for yours. I think you do have to have some like you’re trying to teach people to look a body language.
12:03:49 So it’s worthwhile to do that.
12:03:53 And we may need to do a little troubleshooting to make sure the images work correctly.
12:03:56 If you’re gonna stay in time and not go rebuild in in Ice Spring or something else, or a storyline for a lot of other things, though you know many of you have already done a really good job doing text descriptions of what’s happening with the you know, like so you’ve got
12:04:21 Texts. Description of you know what people are doing, or how they’re saying things.
12:04:28 And so you’ve already got certain descriptions of body, language.
12:04:33 So sometimes that actually works just fine. You know, the I think, Emily scenario where it is the you know, he says, grogily.
12:04:44 And you could show that with a picture.
12:04:50 If if really from a learning perspective, if just saying that, he says grogly, you know, is it?
12:05:00 And having them read it is gonna be that much worse than having the read the body language.
12:05:06 It does depend on what the objectives are, and I don’t know, for, say, Emily’s scenario, where it’s really responding to the patient, and I don’t think reading body language is as important for hers as it is for ron’s cross cultural communication one which
12:05:22 is like knowing body language when you’re talking about cross-cultural communication, body language is an important part of that.
12:05:29 And so like, maybe maybe there would be a place where body language could be part of that.
12:05:35 I think in the actual scenarios of things, in the questions.
12:05:40 It isn’t yet, you know, or maybe descriptions of things right, Eric, you’ve already got lovely descriptions of like he looks really intense and you know, like you’ve got some of those things, you know.
12:05:52 He looks intense. You can see he’s concentrating.
12:05:54 He’s focused. He doesn’t, really. He looks like he doesn’t want to be there.
12:05:58 Probably tells the learner just as much. It helps them just as much information about how to make decisions.
12:06:08 So yes, it is worthwhile making your scenario look more professional right, having it look pretty.
12:06:17 Does in fact, help people learn, adding all of the widgets.
12:06:25 Mayor may not, and I want you to spend your time on things that are going to make a difference, and I don’t think character images make a difference, for every single scenario depends so much work.
12:06:38 So questions you are welcome to either put stuff in chat or unmute yourself, and yes.
12:06:46 I I have one, and it relates to Emily’s scenario.
12:06:55 So if I can, I share screen.
12:06:56 Oh, yeah, let me let me change the permission, so you can share. You should be able to share. Now.
12:07:04 Thank you.
12:07:07 I posted it also in the Forum.
12:07:11 Of course, what I found very interesting. If you make your decision here with the initial assessment and you go the wrong way, then you are done.
12:07:24 You have always a fatal ending, and that patient is dead.
12:07:31 Yeah.
12:07:29 At this when you go wrong here, no way to recover 5 decisions.
12:07:37 Hmm!
12:07:35 You have can make, or 4 or 5, you can still make, but then it’s all done.
12:07:41 I found that a little bit harsh for the learner.
12:07:44 Yeah.
12:07:45 What do you say? What is your opinion about that?
12:07:49 I think so. I do need to go in and look at it.
12:07:53 I!
12:07:54 I don’t, so I guess it does, depend on.
12:08:02 In reality, if that is a decision past which there really wouldn’t be a recovery in real life, then I am okay with having the first decision be a fatal decision.
12:08:20 We most of them. We have sort of a gauntlet kind of thing.
12:08:26 Hmm!
12:08:24 We are usually doing it sort of friendly. A friendly gauntlet where we are giving people opportunities to get back on the right path because we’re trying to teach people learn in games.
12:08:36 There are lethal gauntlets where it is the you make one wrong decision, and you are done.
12:08:46 And sometimes that’s that is the right thing. I think my question to Emily will be, is that truly what happens in real life?
12:08:58 And if the answer is that in that situation, if because you tried to get the patient temperature down that they’re really that is gonna just set up this calendaring failures. And there isn’t going to be a point at which somebody else could you know where you could relax the mistake realizing
12:09:17 that getting their trying to do cooling measures, will it?
12:09:23 Will, mask the symptoms so much that things, the likely outcome is death.
12:09:32 There, then that’s the right thing, and that’s scenario.
12:09:36 I agree that most of the time it is not right, like most of the time, it should not be one failure.
12:09:41 Scenario means, you never have an opportunity to get to the good ending hers might be an exception.
12:09:48 Yes, right? Right?
12:09:45 Yeah, at least the patient should survive, even if if it does in real life, too. Yeah.
12:09:53 Right, I mean in real life. If the answer is that that’s a decision password.
12:09:58 The patient outcomes drop by 80%. Then, yeah, I think it’s okay having the having the patient die in that.
12:10:08 I mean like, that’s if that’s what it really is.
12:10:14 Unless like.
12:10:14 I do wonder, however, in recent life, if it’s actually more of a if you would do that, if you would start cooling managers to get the patients temperature down, but then you’d go back and then check the chart, would you have an opportunity to get back on the path right you did it in the
12:10:32 wrong order, and so, if we were, gonna you know, score or something, or maybe there’s some complication later, because you did kind of do things in the wrong order.
12:10:43 But maybe you would start cooling measures because their temperatures high.
12:10:47 But then still check the chart, and then still have an opportunity to go.
12:10:56 What?
12:10:59 I’m wondering if if it’s because it’s so serious that it’s deliberate to help people understand that it’s a lead to death.
12:11:10 Yeah.
12:11:11 So if you give him chances to recover, they might not ever get to the end.
12:11:19 Yeah.
12:11:16 Result of the worst consequence that could be out there. So I’m wondering if that you know that could be a deliberate move, too.
12:11:26 Because that’s a mistake that has been made, and they really need to see, you know, because sometimes I also think in like, if you give the learner an out.
12:11:38 But they don’t understand why, you know they’re like, Oh, good!
12:11:42 You know, then they’re not really learning about the consequences of their of their bad decision.
12:11:49 Yeah.
12:11:48 Correct. So I did have somebody in a workshop who created one that was a lethal gauntlet, where, if he was working in a pharmaceutical environment, and it was this was training on how to do the ppe your personal protective equipment your
12:12:12 gloves and your full isolation suits for people who were working with things like Ebola, and working with live viruses in a research environment.
12:12:23 And you screw up and you damage you get a hole in your suit, and you die and show over and over in that scenario the out.
12:12:37 The consequence was, you die just like I mean, it was like they were really trying to hammer in like this is the thing that is not the that is not how I think most scenarios should be built, but they were really trying to drill.
12:12:53 It in of like every single step of this process, has to be perfect.
12:13:00 There is no room for error in that particular process. It is not a customer, service scenario or a reception desk thing.
12:13:09 It is literally a matter of life or death, because they are work.
12:13:14 That was in a research with viruses kind of invite thing and not getting your glove not and actually, I think it actually, we were.
12:13:24 It was actually working on the How do you take the stuff off afterwards where it’s contaminated and the like, not grabbing your gloves correctly, exposes you to?
12:13:33 A virus, and I mean, okay. It was. There was some exaggeration of like.
12:13:40 Clearly not every exposure actually leads to death in real life like you could potentially brush against it and not die.
12:13:49 But for purposes of hammering home, that this was a really lethal thing.
12:13:56 It was the appropriate thing for that circumstance and Emily’s situation, because it is something where really and truly one of the real outcomes is patient death.
12:14:12 I’m not. I’m not sure that that’s wrong.
12:14:16 It is unusual to have that many wrong decisions in a path right like it might be that, like really, truly, if you make that initial decision to do cooling options, maybe maybe you don’t actually need to go through all of the rest of it.
12:14:28 Maybe it is that like once you’ve done this, there should be a failure, and instead of going through the whole scenario, you should have a failure and a restart, and say like No, if you do this the patient can die, you need to go back and follow the rest, of it and maybe there is a
12:14:43 way to do it without forcing them to go through all 5 choices so I need to look at it.
12:14:48 But I’m not sure sure it’s it’s unusual, though.
12:14:53 Yeah, that was a what I noticed.
12:14:55 Yeah. Yup.
12:15:00 Yup! It is trickier. I don’t. Normally I will also say I’ve also coached some people on scenarios where they’re like, oh, no, like the outcome it was like a veterinary thing.
12:15:13 It was. This was not best thing, this was something else. Where was a veterinary thing?
12:15:18 And it was like, well, it’s you know, if you do this wrong, the animal could die.
12:15:23 I’m like, well, okay, no. But like messing up their food on one day should not result on in-depth like, yes, if you keep feeding them the wrong food over the course of weeks or months, then the animal can get sick and die but like screw rabbits can survive not having the right?
12:15:42 Food for one meal, right? Like it shouldn’t. And so they were trying to make it, trying to heighten the tension of it too much, and it most of the time when people have those like this decision leads to death.
12:15:58 It doesn’t really. And I usually coach people to pull it back.
12:16:03 What it’s not always the case.
12:16:10 It is a good question, though.
12:16:17 So have fun playing with twine this week, are you? Are you going to stay in twine and do formatting?
12:16:25 Are you going to try and move? Migrate this over to another tool? I mean?
12:16:30 H. 5 P. Is good. I haven’t used it I’m not gonna be very useful in helping you.
12:16:37 If you’re gonna do h 5 P. I will definitely, if you like.
12:16:40 If that’s the tool you want to do, Eric, I’m totally fine helping, but if you wanted to do it in storyline, I could definitely help more of a storyline and just kind of letting you know I do think that storyline I part of my hope is that I’m gonna do a course I’m
12:16:56 doing branching scenarios and storyline, and do some of those development tips on building in storyline and have some templates that I can provide in that course.
12:17:05 That’s part of my goal, that the summer I will launch something.
12:17:08 That’s the more the development side of things.
12:17:23 Yup!
12:17:11 Not a question, I would say. It’s it’s helpful to have the scenario ready even a little bit deep up that it looks, and then go to to the Sme to show it before I program.
12:17:33 Oh yes!
12:17:32 Everything in storyline. Is that really that? Yeah, like you do it, or.
12:17:36 Yeah. Yes. Yeah. The one that we’ve seen.
12:17:42 It’s my big scenario that was for first it was the coaching.
12:17:45 That’s like 70 passengers that did end up being like 70 slides in Stor line.
12:17:51 That’s exactly how I did it. I hate twine.
12:17:54 I made it a little nicer, so it’s easier to read because I hate the default styling, and I I put it 8.
12:18:04 I gave them the copy. I gave them the script.
12:18:06 I gave them a screenshot of the structure. The way that we’ve all been looking at it because it is helpful to have both the structure and click through it.
12:18:14 And I did all 3 screenshot of the structure click through the actual scenario prototype, and I exported all of the text into a word document so that they could do the word smithing piece of it.
12:18:33 But I always tell people to.
12:18:38 Click through the prototype. First.
12:18:43 And yes, before you get into especially anything where it’s images for individual slides, that one for first I built in storyline because I was doing like mock-ups of Zoom in that.
12:18:59 And honestly like it’s too hard. It’s too much of a hassle to do it in line, and maybe I probably I’m much better entwined now that I was at the beginning of the pandemic when I built that.
12:19:12 But still, like we were doing, animating each little link as it comes in, and doing some, you know, fancier stuff and some motion path, and things.
12:19:22 And it’s it’s less aggravating to build some of those things in storyline with.
12:19:27 You know, and and Storyline has the review tool where it’s very easy to collect the feedback from the sneeze, and that is for sure consideration.
12:19:39 So. Yes, I realize, for purposes of this course, and the timing of things that getting feedback from your right now is Mayor may not actually work out in your timing. But this this is a point at which I would use the twine prototype as the alpha version for review.
12:20:03 Yeah.
12:20:03 As either a actually as either your storyboard or as your Alpha, one or the other, and then and get the text of it.
12:20:13 Signed off. Cause it’s a lot easier to make provisions in twine than it is in storyline.
12:20:20 With these kind of structures that we have where there’s lots of cross paths.
12:20:26 So yup great question.
12:20:31 Alright!
12:20:32 Sounds good.
12:20:38 Thank you.
12:20:39 Thank you.
12:20:47 Yup!
12:20:33 Alright! Well, I’m now 20 min over. Thank you for hanging out the extra time with me, and I’m looking forward to see what you all come up with for twine or other stuff, and seeing what you’ve decided to do Alright.
12:20:47 Sounds good. What’s your luck? Thank you.
12:20:55 Hi!
12:20:51 Yes. Okay, thank you. Bye, bye.